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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by Transition and the Big Society &#124; Transition St Albans</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-145</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Five Big Society Ideas    This entry was posted in Community, Opinion. Bookmark the permalink.    &#8592; Heartwood’s community orchard plan&#160;complete   LikeBe the first to like this post. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Five Big Society Ideas    This entry was posted in Community, Opinion. Bookmark the permalink.    &larr; Heartwood’s community orchard plan&nbsp;complete   LikeBe the first to like this post. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety questions by Transition and the Big Society &#124; Transition St Albans</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2010/12/09/5-bigsociety-questions/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Transition and the Big Society &#124; Transition St Albans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Five Big Society questions [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on New Public Thinkers: My Nominations by &#187; Time for New Public Thinking New Public Thinking</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2010/12/10/new-public-thinkers-my-nominations/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Time for New Public Thinking New Public Thinking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] about his nominations, Andy Gibson pointed out that they are “all people who do things rather than write or talk about them, which perhaps [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about his nominations, Andy Gibson pointed out that they are “all people who do things rather than write or talk about them, which perhaps [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by Strategic departures &#171; Beanbags and Bullsh!t</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Strategic departures &#171; Beanbags and Bullsh!t]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] light of these developments, I&#8217;d point people in the direction of Andy Gibson&#8217;s thoughts on social enterprise and The Big Society &#8211; particularly his point (4) re: social enterprise and infrastructure. Now is certainly the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] light of these developments, I&#8217;d point people in the direction of Andy Gibson&#8217;s thoughts on social enterprise and The Big Society &#8211; particularly his point (4) re: social enterprise and infrastructure. Now is certainly the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by beanbagsandbullsh1t</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beanbagsandbullsh1t]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of interesting points. I think you&#039;re raising the right questions and agree with some of the answers more than I agree with others. 

The difficulty with 4 is that over the last 5 years we&#039;ve had relatively bulky state-funded support structures supporting a relatively small sector (in terms of actually doing stuff). 

The investment in social enterprise promotion has worked very well in terms of getting the term &#039;social enterprise&#039; into policy documents but it hasn&#039;t worked so well in terms of getting social enterprises actually delivering stuff on a significant scale - mainly because there&#039;s no causal link between more politicians (and members of the general public) thinking social enterprise is a nice idea and more social enterprises providing products and services that deliver positive social outcomes. 

I think the sort of more practically focused support you&#039;re suggesting is the right way to go. My concern is that too much funding for the wrong things is about to be followed by little or no funding at all for SE support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of interesting points. I think you&#8217;re raising the right questions and agree with some of the answers more than I agree with others. </p>
<p>The difficulty with 4 is that over the last 5 years we&#8217;ve had relatively bulky state-funded support structures supporting a relatively small sector (in terms of actually doing stuff). </p>
<p>The investment in social enterprise promotion has worked very well in terms of getting the term &#8216;social enterprise&#8217; into policy documents but it hasn&#8217;t worked so well in terms of getting social enterprises actually delivering stuff on a significant scale &#8211; mainly because there&#8217;s no causal link between more politicians (and members of the general public) thinking social enterprise is a nice idea and more social enterprises providing products and services that deliver positive social outcomes. </p>
<p>I think the sort of more practically focused support you&#8217;re suggesting is the right way to go. My concern is that too much funding for the wrong things is about to be followed by little or no funding at all for SE support.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by Nudge vs. #bigsociety? &#171; Mindapples</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nudge vs. #bigsociety? &#171; Mindapples]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] rhetoric of the Big Society (and more on my personal thoughts on that project over here). Dr Samantha Callan from the Centre for Social Justice cited one example of nudge in action, that [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by Big Society Rhetoric Must Be Grounded &#124; Izwe Project</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Society Rhetoric Must Be Grounded &#124; Izwe Project]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and the benefit of others. These challenges are struggled with on a day to day basis by many – systemic and cultural. I’ve done my fair share of struggling &#8211; with desperate failure and wonderful [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the benefit of others. These challenges are struggled with on a day to day basis by many – systemic and cultural. I’ve done my fair share of struggling &#8211; with desperate failure and wonderful [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by Why the Big Society failed &#124; Liberal Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why the Big Society failed &#124; Liberal Conspiracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (rather than training people and then expecting them to be able to fundraise for their salaries), invest in the infrastructure, create a level playing field for government procurement and build the capacity needed to ensure, for example, that their neighbourhood plans don’t get [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by cjenscook</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-135</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy

I&#039;ve been saying for years that one of the outcomes of increasing and pervasive connectivity will be 21st century guilds, and maybe a new variant on Guild Socialism, which ran up against Fabianism and the State.

The way I see it the distinction between the absolutes of Public = State and Private = Individual or Company is obsolete.

Within a &#039;co-ownership&#039; relationship within a consensual framework agreement we enter the same indefinite &#039;Not Proven&#039; space which exists in Scotland between the conventional absolutes of Guilty and Not Guilty.

Within a partnership, there is no profit and no loss - just the agreed creation and sharing of value (money&#039;s worth in all its forms) to a common purpose.

In my view partnership frameworks are emrging in use because &#039;they work&#039; and those enterprises which do not participate in such relationships will be at a disadvantage to those that do.

To turn conventional rhetoric on its head, in a directly connected world, there is no reason why &#039;productive&#039; entrepreneurs; suppliers, customers and citizens actually need &#039;unproductive&#039;/extractive finance capital and unless financial middlemen evolve to value-adding service provision they will wither on the vine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying for years that one of the outcomes of increasing and pervasive connectivity will be 21st century guilds, and maybe a new variant on Guild Socialism, which ran up against Fabianism and the State.</p>
<p>The way I see it the distinction between the absolutes of Public = State and Private = Individual or Company is obsolete.</p>
<p>Within a &#8216;co-ownership&#8217; relationship within a consensual framework agreement we enter the same indefinite &#8216;Not Proven&#8217; space which exists in Scotland between the conventional absolutes of Guilty and Not Guilty.</p>
<p>Within a partnership, there is no profit and no loss &#8211; just the agreed creation and sharing of value (money&#8217;s worth in all its forms) to a common purpose.</p>
<p>In my view partnership frameworks are emrging in use because &#8216;they work&#8217; and those enterprises which do not participate in such relationships will be at a disadvantage to those that do.</p>
<p>To turn conventional rhetoric on its head, in a directly connected world, there is no reason why &#8216;productive&#8217; entrepreneurs; suppliers, customers and citizens actually need &#8216;unproductive&#8217;/extractive finance capital and unless financial middlemen evolve to value-adding service provision they will wither on the vine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 #bigsociety ideas by jeffmowatt</title>
		<link>http://sociability.org.uk/2011/01/25/5-bigsociety-ideas/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeffmowatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy, As I just tweeted. Wandsworth council just announced a Big Society fund. Ironic for me as that&#039;s where I left 5 years ago as part of our survival strategy.

I recommend a blog from the Forward Foundation which describes the transition from 20th century production economies to 21st century sharing and people-centered economies.

http://forwardfound.org/blog/?q=comparing-business-development-paradigms

This also has relevance to what I&#039;ve been relating on the RSA site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, As I just tweeted. Wandsworth council just announced a Big Society fund. Ironic for me as that&#8217;s where I left 5 years ago as part of our survival strategy.</p>
<p>I recommend a blog from the Forward Foundation which describes the transition from 20th century production economies to 21st century sharing and people-centered economies.</p>
<p><a href="http://forwardfound.org/blog/?q=comparing-business-development-paradigms" rel="nofollow">http://forwardfound.org/blog/?q=comparing-business-development-paradigms</a></p>
<p>This also has relevance to what I&#8217;ve been relating on the RSA site.</p>
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